Design and podcast legend Debbie Millman recently released her book Why Design Matters: Conversations with the World’s Most Creative People reflecting on her extraordinary 20-year-old podcast.

Having interviewed artists, writers, actors, and other creatives, she took the time to interview acclaimed interior designer Sheila Bridges, an Architectural Digest titan and author of the memoir The Bald Mermaid. This candid and sparkling interview covers Sheila’s experience as a black interior designer, her experience with alopecia, designing for Bill Clinton, and being a good listener makes you a better designer.

Watch the interview here.